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Re: city jet

Post by thelad » 05 May 2016, 21:58

Wont get much on Coningsby for a QRA, not even sure they have to contact the tower to depart! You want blackdog, AAR and guard Vhf. All were busy on the night in question.
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Re: city jet

Post by scanhermit » 06 May 2016, 18:12

Ta for that. I've got Linton, Leeming and London Mil East programmed in but I don't hear them much.

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Post by thelad » 06 May 2016, 20:15

You should get the Hawks where you are (York?) and the Tucanos.
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Re: city jet

Post by scanhermit » 06 May 2016, 20:20

Wetherby but I don't imagine that's a problem. On the civvie side, I'm perfect for LBA, Robin Hood, Teeside and Newcastle.

Now if only I can decode all their jargon...

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Post by Admiral » 06 May 2016, 20:23

Runway 35 doesn't mean they have 35 runways, it means their runway is 35 degrees from North, hope that helps.
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Re: city jet

Post by scanhermit » 06 May 2016, 20:38

Heh! Thanks. Just as long as no one says "Approaching Airstrip 1".

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Re: city jet

Post by kr0ne » 06 May 2016, 22:32

Admiral wrote:Runway 35 doesn't mean they have 35 runways, it means their runway is 35 degrees from North, hope that helps.
Close! 350... :)

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Post by kr0ne » 06 May 2016, 22:34

2E1IIP wrote:Might request a change to LHR and swallow the £60 change fee - sounds dodgy to me.
Ha ha! A measured and evidence based response without a hint of Daily Mailism about it... :lol:

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Post by kr0ne » 06 May 2016, 22:40

Here's the AV Herald article in case anyone is interested:

http://avherald.com/h?article=497c6612

There is mention in the comments that the turn was instructed by ATC. I've seen the same thing posted on a couple of aviation forums by other aircrew. Nothing unusual or untoward, it would seem - just a simple loss of comms that happens a lot more often that you might think.

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Post by Admiral » 07 May 2016, 06:25

How did ATC advise them to turn right 90 degrees if there was no comms?
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Post by Admiral » 07 May 2016, 06:27

kr0ne wrote:
Admiral wrote:Runway 35 doesn't mean they have 35 runways, it means their runway is 35 degrees from North, hope that helps.
Close! 350... :)
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Post by thelad » 07 May 2016, 08:33

Admiral wrote:How did ATC advise them to turn right 90 degrees if there was no comms?
Typhoon told them via VHF guard so i asume they had the wrong sector frequency selected or was a range issue, when they spotted a Typhoon out of the window with lots of pointy things under the wings i expect that woke them up!
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Post by Admiral » 07 May 2016, 08:48

thelad wrote:when they spotted a Typhoon out of the window with lots of pointy things under the wings i expect that woke them up!
I bet it did, it would certainly make my behind tighten somewhat.
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Re: city jet

Post by kr0ne » 07 May 2016, 09:36

There are several parallel discussions going on on the aviation forums about guard. It seems that even pilots like to play music, make farty sounds and animal noises on the radio - except they prefer to use the international aviation distress frequency instead of ch 19!

That's not a joke btw, although I'm not sure how common that kind of nonsense actually is. Certainly in the UK you can be located very quickly and easily when you transmit on 121.5, but this seems to be at the root of a far more common issue in the UK - the practice pan call. You can imagine, on a busy flight deck, one might be tempted to turn the volume down on the box monitoring guard if there is a lot of irrelevant chat going on.

Turn down guard and miss one ATC frequency change and all of a sudden you have a loss of comms with ATC and while there are often other ways to make contact, you might want to get the fast jets up there while you faff around. Just in case, you know?

At the end of the day it was a professional job by the RAF, the lads got a chance to take their bikes out for a quick blast and nobody got hurt. Great job by all concerned in my book. :thumbup:

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Re: city jet

Post by BK » 07 May 2016, 16:05

kr0ne wrote:There are several parallel discussions going on on the aviation forums about guard. It seems that even pilots like to play music, make farty sounds and animal noises on the radio - except they prefer to use the international aviation distress frequency instead of ch 19!
Yeah, I've just been reading the thread on pprune about 121.5 :D I'm inclined to agree with the comments on there that at least some of this is coming from numpties on the ground with handheld transceivers who are just trying to wind up the guard police. Years ago I witnessed a SWL make a practice pan call (without warning, otherwise I would have told him not to) but he followed the correct procedure and I don't think anyone suspected it wasn't a real pilot.

Incidentally, part of my job involves analysing data recordings from aircraft, which sometimes includes cockpit voice recordings. It's amazing what pilots talk about up there, they obviously forget very quickly that they're being recorded :D

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